Most cancer doctors avoid saying it's the end
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
16 june 2008--One look at Eileen Mulligan lying soberly on the exam table and Dr. John Marshall knew the time for the Big Talk had arrived.
He began gently. The chemotherapy is not helping. The cancer is advanced. There are no good options left to try. It would be good to look into hospice care.
"At first I was really shocked. But after, I thought it was a really good way of handling a situation like that," said Mulligan, who now is making a "bucket list" — things to do before she dies. Top priority: getting her busy sons to come for a weekend at her Washington, D.C., home.
Many people do not get such straight talk from doctors, who often think they are doing patients a favor by keeping hope alive.
New research shows they are wrong.
Only one-third of terminally ill cancer patients in a new, federally funded study said their doctors had discussed end-of-life care.
Surprisingly, patients who had these talks were no more likely to become depressed than those who did not, the study found. They were less likely to spend their final days in hospitals, tethered to machines. They avoided costly, futile care. And their loved ones were more at peace after they died.
Convinced of such benefits and that patients have a right to know, the California Assembly just passed a bill to require that health care providers give complete answers to dying patients who ask about their options. The bill now goes to the state Senate.
Some doctors' groups are fighting the bill, saying it interferes with medical practice. But at an American Society of Clinical Oncology conference in Chicago earlier this month, where the federally funded study was presented, the society's president said she was upset at its finding that most doctors were not having honest talks.
"That is distressing if it's true. It says we have a lot of homework to do," said Dr. Nancy Davidson, a cancer specialist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.
Doctors mistakenly fear that frank conversations will harm patients, said Barbara Coombs Lee, president of the advocacy group Compassionate Choices.
"Boiled down, it's 'Talking about dying will kill you,'" she said. In reality, "people crave these conversations, because without a full and candid discussion of what they're up against and what their options are, they feel abandoned and forlorn, as though they have to face this alone. No one is willing to talk about it."
The new study is the first to look at what happens to patients if they are or are not asked what kind of care they'd like to receive if they were dying, said lead researcher Dr. Alexi Wright of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.
It involved 603 people in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Texas. All had failed chemotherapy for advanced cancer and had life expectancies of less than a year. They were interviewed at the start of the study and are being followed until their deaths. Records were used to document their care.
Of the 323 who have died so far, those who had end-of-life talks were three times less likely to spend their final week in intensive care, four times less likely to be on breathing machines, and six times less likely to be resuscitated.
About 7 percent of all patients in the study developed depression. Feeling nervous or worried was no more common among those who had end-of-life talks than those who did not.
That rings true, said Marshall, who is Mulligan's doctor at Georgetown University's Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center. Patients often are relieved, and can plan for a "good death" and make decisions, such as do-not-resuscitate orders.
"It's sad, and it's not good news, but you can see the tension begin to fall" as soon as the patient and the family come to grips with a situation they may have suspected but were afraid to bring up, he said.
From an ethics point of view, "it's easy — patients ought to know," said Dr. Anthony Lee Back of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle. "Talking about prognosis is where the rubber meets the road. It's a make-or-break moment — you earn that trust or you blow it," he told doctors at a training session at the cancer conference on how to break bad news.
People react differently, though, said Dr. James Vredenburgh, a brain tumor specialist at Duke University.
"There are patients who want to talk about death and dying when I first meet them, before I ever treat them. There's other people who never will talk about it," he said.
"Most patients know in their heart" that the situation is grim, "but people have an amazing capacity to deny or just keep fighting. For a majority of patients it's a relief to know and to just be able to talk about it," he said.
Sometimes it's doctors who have trouble accepting that the end is near, or think they've failed the patient unless they keep trying to beat the disease, said Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society.
"I had seven patients die in one week once," Brawley said. "I actually had some personal regrets in some patients where I did not stop treatment and in retrospect, I think I should have."
James Rogers, 67 of Durham, N.C., wants no such regrets. Diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last October, he had only one question for the doctor who recommended treatment.
"I said 'Can you get rid of it?' She said 'no,'" and he decided to simply enjoy his final days with the help of the hospice staff at Duke.
"I like being told what my health condition is. I don't like beating around the bush," he said. "We all have to die. I've had a very good life. Death is not something that was fearful to me."
3 comments:
This is disturbing news. Imagine this: you ask if your doctor can cure your cancer. The answer is no. You accept death. However, what you don't know is that there are other doctors who could cure it. The doctor you asked can't do it. But that has nothing to do with those who can. Most doctors will only do accepted standards of care..chemo, radiation, etc. There is so much they do not know.
Imagine this: you get a very high fever. You do nothing to reduce it. Then your cancer is gone. Miracle? Nope. I won't go into why a fever might have an impact - you can research yourself (as I did with my father, an M.D., FACP and Board certified internist, Chief of Staff and prof at an Ivy Med school. Also published in NEJM and others.)
(Before antibiotics, fevers often went unchecked. Cancer was less in those days. Find the connection - it's not unknown, even in the literature.)
This is but one example. And with universal health care coming up, docs will gladly let patients go...there is no incentive to keep them alive. Death time talks will be a big help in getting rid of difficult (to them) cases.
And with free mammograms, watch breast cancer zoom. Radiation is cumulative. That's why cancer rates are highest in Marin County where so many get their boobs radiated as often as possible under the guise of preventative medicine.
Cancer is a very scary word. I have watched a loved one die slowly and with extrordinary torment that could have been avoided if his doctors were frank with him and honest about his condition. He was a jvial man with a friendly spirit who went to the doctor for a back problem. That day a small lump on his theigh was noticed and surgery was ordered immediately. THe lump was removed and tests showed it was cancerous. A second surgery was ordered where most of the muscel in his thiegh was removed. Then over 20 radiation treatments were endured. Later that year another lump was discovered in his groin area. 20 more radiation treatments and more surgery was endured. Multiple pet scans and lots of bloodwork and some physical therapy were endured. He did not seem to be concerned because his doctors did not have the long talk with him. After many appointments that often included travel to other cities and towns which sometimes forced him to rent hotel rooms and expensive treatments made him tired and sad. Long waits at test centers caused frustrations for him and his wife. Lost test results and incredible inefficiencies among the staff of several medical facilities forced him to keep his own log to the extreme. His distress was added to by these problems. During the last lap of a three year oddessy after claims that the radiation had gotten all the cancer cured, he developed a cancerous tumor behind his eye. His eye was pushed out, and began to protrude, and more radiation was ordered after surgery to remove the tumor. This man was in extreme pain and the radiation seemed to make him more ill. At the end, he was unable to walk, and lived the last month of his life at home on heavy pain medications which caused confusion and a lack of motor skills. He had no idea what was going on around him. He then had a heart attack and ended up laying on his livingroom floor in a pool of his own excretement. After getting him to the hospital that day, his family watched as he died several days later and not peacefully. This man was bounced around for over 2 years by the medical gurus whom he trusted completely. What ever they told him to do, he did. They fried him and sent him home to die. THree rounds of radiation in one year would kill anyone, even if they didn't have cancer and it is the most uncomfortable way to die. He was 70 years old and he endured more than the average human, but he's still dead. His medical insurance was bilked out of almost a million dollars while they paid for his suffering and nothing more.
I do believe he was dying no matter what they could have done, but I strongly believe he could have died much more peacefully and pain free. He never mentioned his terminal condition once because he didn't entertain the idea that he could not be saved. Between the travel, tests, surgeries and severe treatments, no one told him these were not working.
I do believe he was dying no matter what they could have done, but I strongly believe he could have died much more peacefully and pain free. He never mentioned his terminal condition once because he didn't entertain the idea that he could not be saved. Between the travel, tests, surgeries and severe treatments, no one told him these were not working.
Cancer is a very scary word. I have watched a loved one die slowly and with extrordinary torment that could have been avoided if his doctors were frank with him and honest about his condition. He was a jovial man with a friendly spirit who went to the doctor for a back problem. That day a small lump on his thigh was noticed and surgery was ordered immediately. The lump was removed and tests showed it was cancerous. A second surgery was ordered where most of the muscle in his thigh was removed. Then over 20 radiation treatments were endured. Later that year another lump was discovered in his groin area. 20 more radiation treatments and more surgery was endured. Multiple pet scans and lots of blood work and some physical therapy were endured. He did not seem to be concerned because his doctors did not have the long talk with him. After many appointments that often included travel to other cities and towns which sometimes forced him to rent hotel rooms and expensive treatments made him tired and sad. Long waits at test centers caused frustrations for him and his wife. Lost test results and incredible inefficiencies among the staff of several medical facilities forced him to keep his own log to the extreme. His distress was added to by these problems. During the last lap of a three year oddessy after claims that the radiation had gotten all the cancer cured, he developed a cancerous tumor behind his eye. His eye was pushed out, and began to protrude, and more radiation was ordered after surgery to remove the tumor. This man was in extreme pain and the radiation seemed to make him more ill. At the end, he was unable to walk, and lived the last month of his life at home on heavy pain medications which caused confusion and a lack of motor skills. He had no idea what was going on around him. He then had a heart attack and ended up lying on his living room floor in a pool of his own excretement. After getting him to the hospital that day, his family watched as he died several days later and not peacefully. This man was bounced around for over 2 years by the medical gurus whom he trusted completely. What ever they told him to do, he did. They fried him and sent him home to die. Three rounds of radiation in one year would kill anyone, even if they didn't have cancer and it is the most uncomfortable way to die. He was 70 years old and he endured more than the average human, but he's still dead. His medical insurance was bilked out of almost a million dollars while they paid for his suffering and nothing more.
J
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